Im sorry but this said "Rebekah was of an age considered appropriate for marriage within her cultural and historical context." but then fail to recognise that it was also culturally appropriate Aisha to be married off to, Considering this article also said "decision reflects the characteristics of a young woman of marriageable age in her cultural context", but then you again fail to realise that the decision of Aisha to marry the prophet was also culturally appropriate considering she was already asked off of by Jubair ibn Mut`am.
This ultimately proves that it was also culturally appropriate.
I know this post is about Rebekka but 99% of the time, people come here to find info to argue against Aisha's Age and hope they get a little fair knowledge on the two comparisons.
the difference is that jews, christians and everyone has learned to improve with time but you muslims want to stay stagnant and rancid to justify marrying and having sex with a 6-9yo girl TODAY following mohammeds example. despicable and stupid.
It's "despicable and stupid" to think that all 2 billion Muslims think it's okay to marry a child is the same as to think that no Christian or Jew will marry a child. In all Muslim countries the age of consent is at least 16, Türkiye is the only one in Europe whose age of consent is 18, while in Christian Europe the age is lower, in some of them it is 13. Yes, there are Muslim countries where they marry children, but it is illegal and against the law, at the same time there are priests who harass and rape children. The reason why child marriages disappeared in Christian european countries was secularization and the loss of power of the Church. But at the same time, in Christian African and South American countries they still marry children. So the issue of child marriage is related to economic and cultural factors, and not with religion.
“Türkiye is the only one in Europe whose age of consent is 18, while in Christian Europe the age is lower, in some of them it is 13.”
The statement that just one country in Europe, Türkiye, has the age of consent as 18 while Christian European countries have it as low as 13 is flawed since it ignores the broader legal background to age of consent laws and is based on an incorrect assumption. No European country, as of 2025, has an age of consent of 13. Türkiye is not even the only European country with an age of consent of 18; Malta and San Marino are among other European countries that have the same age of consent of 18. Though some European countries previously had a lower age of consent, it is true that most European countries today have made the age either 16–18, and there are solid protections against exploitation. For example, while Spain previously had an age of consent of 13 years, it raised the age to 16 years in 2015 due to concerns about children's protection and conformity with broader European Union norms. Similarly, in countries like Germany, Portugal, and the Netherlands, the age of consent can be 14 or 15 years, but the same is coupled with provisions criminalizing relationships where there is extensive disparity of power, coercion, or where there is an age difference which makes the relationship exploitative. Some European countries also enact Romeo and Juliet laws, legal protections that try not to prosecute youngsters for consent-based relationships where the two are nearly the same age. Such legislation recognizes teen dating as categorically different from exploitation-based adult-minor dating. Without them, an 18-year-old and a 16-year-old date, for instance, might actually be prosecutable as a crime in some jurisdiction, though such a relationship could be consented to. Instead, the majority of European countries use close-in-age defenses, graduated age categories, or judicial discretion to make sure that the law targets actual cases of exploitation and not common teenage relationships.
Türkiye is in complete contrast to this, still having one of the highest rates of child marriage in Europe. In 2020 alone, over 13,700 underage marriages occurred, and almost all of them involved girls. These statistics point towards ongoing child protection issues despite the country's official age of consent being 18. The United Kingdom also has a reported 1,000 child marriages per year, the vast majority of which are forced or arranged marriages. Across the entire European Union, an estimated 2,000 child marriages occur each year, a figure that, though disturbing, is in severe contrast to the rate of child marriage in Türkiye. Nevertheless, none of the European nations legally permits marriage at the age of 13 by 2025, and the majority of European countries have progressively enacted laws to protect children and prohibit child marriage. For example, in 2015 Spain raised the legal age of marriage to 16, and in 2022 the UK enacted legislation to increase the age at which a person can legally marry to 18 in order to continue protecting children from early marriage.
Simply establishing the age of consent at 18, like in the situation of Türkiye, does not always mean greater child protection if legal loopholes, cultural practice, or absence of enforcement allow exploitation of minors. While Türkiye's higher official bar may appear stronger, Türkiye also continues to deal with child marriage, forced marriage, and religiously sanctioned unions that take place outside of state law. On the other hand, European countries have made significant progress in protecting children by means of strong legislation and addressing cultural reasons for child marriage. The difference in legal frameworks, cultural norms, and enforcement levels points to the fact that it is not just the setting of an age of consent but also assuring strong protection from exploitation, coupled with education and cultural transformation.
There are also legal provisions in all Muslim countries as well that enables a child below that age to be married off should the parents give consent. Similarly, many minor marriages occur under the radar in those Islamic countries, often with the blessings of Sheikhs and Imams. Your argument simply doesn’t work.
Also, have you considered how those ages of consent work?
“there are Muslim countries where they marry children, but it is illegal and against the law, at the same time there are priests who harass and rape children.”
The contention that child marriage is illegal in all Muslim-majority countries is an inaccurate generalization that overlooks the legal and cultural status of specific countries, such as Yemen. The law in Yemen fails to establish explicitly the marriage age, and this legal void translates to the fact that child marriage is legal in practice. Despite pressure from both international bodies and local activists to raise the legal marriage age, such attempts have always been shut down in the name of religion. In 2014, the Yemeni Parliament passed a bill setting the marriage age at 18, but the law was met with vehement resistance by tribal leaders and conservative clerics on the basis that the reforms were not in line with traditional interpretations of Islamic law since Islam permits marriage when a girl attains puberty. In 2013, Yemeni human rights activist Radhya Al-Mutawakel noted that religious leaders argued against establishing a minimum marriage age, arguing that marriage needs to be based on puberty and maturity rather than an age. Additionally, influential religious groups, such as Al-Mahram, have spoken out against the 18-year minimum age of marriage, declaring it to be opposed to Islamic law.
There have been reports of girls as young as 9 years old being married off, citing the deep-rooted cultural traditions. UNICEF has reported that 1 in 3 girls in Yemen are married off before they turn 18 years old, and the practice is particularly prevalent in rural areas where economic hardship and traditional views towards marriage prevail. Despite international pressure from organizations like HRW and the United Nations to end child marriage, religious resistance and social pressures continue to hold sway, preventing serious reform. This type of resistance has caused child marriage to continue in Yemen, where both local custom and religious rationale have a tendency to overpower legal protections. Thus, while support for change is growing, the issue remains embroiled in religious and cultural controversy, which delays the implementation of clear legal protections for children.
Moreover, comparing child marriage (which is mostly culturally motivated) with priest abuse (which is a criminal act of sexual exploitation by those in power) is an incorrect analogy. Although both are extremely harmful to children, they have different causes, moral underpinnings, and legal implications. Child marriage is usually with cultural practices while the abuse by Priest is a morally outrageous display of power.
“The reason why child marriages disappeared in Christian european countries was secularization and the loss of power of the Church. But at the same time, in Christian African and South American countries they still marry children.”
The claim that child marriage disappeared in Christian European countries due to secularization assumes that the Church was the driving force behind child marriage and its decline was necessary to rectify this. But where is the evidence that secularization, rather than Christian influence, was the vital factor? In practice, the Christian teaching emphasized the requirement of consent on the part of the spouses in marriage from early centuries, which automatically discouraged child marriages because children, particularly girls, were not able to provide consent. The Church Fathers and medieval canon law further solidified this idea, which helped shape the foundation of raising the marriage ages. Church councils, including the Fourth Lateran Council (1215) and the Council of Trent (1563), further entrenched the requirement of consent and public marriage ceremonies, making sure that marriages were not arranged exclusively for economic or political considerations. These ideals shaped marriage laws well ahead of contemporary secularization, as Catholic and Protestant societies slowly put in place legal changes that sought to uphold Christian moral teachings.
If secularization was the primary reason for child marriage to decline, why are there still issues with forced and underage marriages in some very secular societies today? For example, in Scandinavia, where secularization is most prevalent, forced marriages of minors continue to occur, particularly among immigrant communities, which shows that secularism does not necessarily eradicate the practice. Furthermore, in Communist China during the Cultural Revolution—a time of radical secularization—forced and child marriages persisted because state control mattered more to the state than Christian moral principles of consent and dignity.
Finally, the persistence of child marriage in some Christian-majority countries does not negate Christianity's success in ending the practice elsewhere. Instead, it shows how pre-Christian cultural practices have a tendency to override Christian teaching at times. For instance, in some parts of sub-Saharan Africa, Christianity is combined with indigenous customs existing for several centuries before European missionaries came to introduce Christianity, and these are practices that contradict Christian moral teachings. In some parts of Latin America as well, child marriage often continues according to economic needs and social culture and not religious beliefs since the Catholic Church continually teaches against it and promotes the importance of children.
On the other hand, where Christian doctrines have been entirely embraced in legal systems, child marriage has decreased or been eliminated. The 18th and 19th centuries saw legal age reforms for European nations driven by Christian moral discourse. In England, for example, the 1753 Marriage Act, based on Anglican thought, made parent consent mandatory for under 21-year marriages, making it less easy to force children into marriage. In France, Napoleon's 1804 Civil Code, although secular in nature, continued to include many Christian marriage values, such as minimum ages of marriage that reflected earlier Catholic influence. Even in the United States, 19th- and 20th-century laws raising the minimum marriage age were often spurred by Christian campaigning, particularly among Protestant reformers seeking women's rights and the safeguarding of children.
The onus of the proof is with you providing the claim—where is evidence that secularization, and not the historical hand of Christianity, was responsible for eliminating child marriage? Without strong proof, the claim is an argument and not a fact. Christianity had established moral and legal ground to eliminate child marriage, whereas secularization, if it was ever added into the equation, followed already established moral principles by Christian doctrine.
If aisha was raped then why did she stay with him Hisham said: I have been informed that ‘Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).” and also she is an adult
Narrated Aisha: "When the girl becomes 9 years old, she has become a woman."
"aisha narrated" whatever she said is irrelevant since she was married AND brainwahsed to beleieve whatever mohammed said. specially if going aghainst him meant she can be killed or beaten for not believing. xD
"a girl becomes a woman at 9" no, unless you think like an animal and havent learned anything in a milenia.
She was also married off by her father to the most powerful man in her community in a time when women aren’t exactly well respected . Any sane woman in her shoes will avoid divorce.
Are you idiotic? Jami At Tirmidhi doesn’t state this, you are dealing with a Hadith cited by the editor in the footnotes to better explain a Hanbali legal ruling on this matter.
Worst still, that Hadith is Da’if and not even the Hanbali scholars that accept them interpret it in the way you do.
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Im sorry but this said "Rebekah was of an age considered appropriate for marriage within her cultural and historical context." but then fail to recognise that it was also culturally appropriate Aisha to be married off to, Considering this article also said "decision reflects the characteristics of a young woman of marriageable age in her cultural context", but then you again fail to realise that the decision of Aisha to marry the prophet was also culturally appropriate considering she was already asked off of by Jubair ibn Mut`am.
This ultimately proves that it was also culturally appropriate.
I know this post is about Rebekka but 99% of the time, people come here to find info to argue against Aisha's Age and hope they get a little fair knowledge on the two comparisons.
the difference is that jews, christians and everyone has learned to improve with time but you muslims want to stay stagnant and rancid to justify marrying and having sex with a 6-9yo girl TODAY following mohammeds example. despicable and stupid.
It's "despicable and stupid" to think that all 2 billion Muslims think it's okay to marry a child is the same as to think that no Christian or Jew will marry a child. In all Muslim countries the age of consent is at least 16, Türkiye is the only one in Europe whose age of consent is 18, while in Christian Europe the age is lower, in some of them it is 13. Yes, there are Muslim countries where they marry children, but it is illegal and against the law, at the same time there are priests who harass and rape children. The reason why child marriages disappeared in Christian european countries was secularization and the loss of power of the Church. But at the same time, in Christian African and South American countries they still marry children. So the issue of child marriage is related to economic and cultural factors, and not with religion.
“Türkiye is the only one in Europe whose age of consent is 18, while in Christian Europe the age is lower, in some of them it is 13.”
The statement that just one country in Europe, Türkiye, has the age of consent as 18 while Christian European countries have it as low as 13 is flawed since it ignores the broader legal background to age of consent laws and is based on an incorrect assumption. No European country, as of 2025, has an age of consent of 13. Türkiye is not even the only European country with an age of consent of 18; Malta and San Marino are among other European countries that have the same age of consent of 18. Though some European countries previously had a lower age of consent, it is true that most European countries today have made the age either 16–18, and there are solid protections against exploitation. For example, while Spain previously had an age of consent of 13 years, it raised the age to 16 years in 2015 due to concerns about children's protection and conformity with broader European Union norms. Similarly, in countries like Germany, Portugal, and the Netherlands, the age of consent can be 14 or 15 years, but the same is coupled with provisions criminalizing relationships where there is extensive disparity of power, coercion, or where there is an age difference which makes the relationship exploitative. Some European countries also enact Romeo and Juliet laws, legal protections that try not to prosecute youngsters for consent-based relationships where the two are nearly the same age. Such legislation recognizes teen dating as categorically different from exploitation-based adult-minor dating. Without them, an 18-year-old and a 16-year-old date, for instance, might actually be prosecutable as a crime in some jurisdiction, though such a relationship could be consented to. Instead, the majority of European countries use close-in-age defenses, graduated age categories, or judicial discretion to make sure that the law targets actual cases of exploitation and not common teenage relationships.
Türkiye is in complete contrast to this, still having one of the highest rates of child marriage in Europe. In 2020 alone, over 13,700 underage marriages occurred, and almost all of them involved girls. These statistics point towards ongoing child protection issues despite the country's official age of consent being 18. The United Kingdom also has a reported 1,000 child marriages per year, the vast majority of which are forced or arranged marriages. Across the entire European Union, an estimated 2,000 child marriages occur each year, a figure that, though disturbing, is in severe contrast to the rate of child marriage in Türkiye. Nevertheless, none of the European nations legally permits marriage at the age of 13 by 2025, and the majority of European countries have progressively enacted laws to protect children and prohibit child marriage. For example, in 2015 Spain raised the legal age of marriage to 16, and in 2022 the UK enacted legislation to increase the age at which a person can legally marry to 18 in order to continue protecting children from early marriage.
Simply establishing the age of consent at 18, like in the situation of Türkiye, does not always mean greater child protection if legal loopholes, cultural practice, or absence of enforcement allow exploitation of minors. While Türkiye's higher official bar may appear stronger, Türkiye also continues to deal with child marriage, forced marriage, and religiously sanctioned unions that take place outside of state law. On the other hand, European countries have made significant progress in protecting children by means of strong legislation and addressing cultural reasons for child marriage. The difference in legal frameworks, cultural norms, and enforcement levels points to the fact that it is not just the setting of an age of consent but also assuring strong protection from exploitation, coupled with education and cultural transformation.
You are speaking to someone who can’t do research deeper than a simple google search.
There are also legal provisions in all Muslim countries as well that enables a child below that age to be married off should the parents give consent. Similarly, many minor marriages occur under the radar in those Islamic countries, often with the blessings of Sheikhs and Imams. Your argument simply doesn’t work.
Also, have you considered how those ages of consent work?
“there are Muslim countries where they marry children, but it is illegal and against the law, at the same time there are priests who harass and rape children.”
The contention that child marriage is illegal in all Muslim-majority countries is an inaccurate generalization that overlooks the legal and cultural status of specific countries, such as Yemen. The law in Yemen fails to establish explicitly the marriage age, and this legal void translates to the fact that child marriage is legal in practice. Despite pressure from both international bodies and local activists to raise the legal marriage age, such attempts have always been shut down in the name of religion. In 2014, the Yemeni Parliament passed a bill setting the marriage age at 18, but the law was met with vehement resistance by tribal leaders and conservative clerics on the basis that the reforms were not in line with traditional interpretations of Islamic law since Islam permits marriage when a girl attains puberty. In 2013, Yemeni human rights activist Radhya Al-Mutawakel noted that religious leaders argued against establishing a minimum marriage age, arguing that marriage needs to be based on puberty and maturity rather than an age. Additionally, influential religious groups, such as Al-Mahram, have spoken out against the 18-year minimum age of marriage, declaring it to be opposed to Islamic law.
There have been reports of girls as young as 9 years old being married off, citing the deep-rooted cultural traditions. UNICEF has reported that 1 in 3 girls in Yemen are married off before they turn 18 years old, and the practice is particularly prevalent in rural areas where economic hardship and traditional views towards marriage prevail. Despite international pressure from organizations like HRW and the United Nations to end child marriage, religious resistance and social pressures continue to hold sway, preventing serious reform. This type of resistance has caused child marriage to continue in Yemen, where both local custom and religious rationale have a tendency to overpower legal protections. Thus, while support for change is growing, the issue remains embroiled in religious and cultural controversy, which delays the implementation of clear legal protections for children.
Moreover, comparing child marriage (which is mostly culturally motivated) with priest abuse (which is a criminal act of sexual exploitation by those in power) is an incorrect analogy. Although both are extremely harmful to children, they have different causes, moral underpinnings, and legal implications. Child marriage is usually with cultural practices while the abuse by Priest is a morally outrageous display of power.
“The reason why child marriages disappeared in Christian european countries was secularization and the loss of power of the Church. But at the same time, in Christian African and South American countries they still marry children.”
The claim that child marriage disappeared in Christian European countries due to secularization assumes that the Church was the driving force behind child marriage and its decline was necessary to rectify this. But where is the evidence that secularization, rather than Christian influence, was the vital factor? In practice, the Christian teaching emphasized the requirement of consent on the part of the spouses in marriage from early centuries, which automatically discouraged child marriages because children, particularly girls, were not able to provide consent. The Church Fathers and medieval canon law further solidified this idea, which helped shape the foundation of raising the marriage ages. Church councils, including the Fourth Lateran Council (1215) and the Council of Trent (1563), further entrenched the requirement of consent and public marriage ceremonies, making sure that marriages were not arranged exclusively for economic or political considerations. These ideals shaped marriage laws well ahead of contemporary secularization, as Catholic and Protestant societies slowly put in place legal changes that sought to uphold Christian moral teachings.
If secularization was the primary reason for child marriage to decline, why are there still issues with forced and underage marriages in some very secular societies today? For example, in Scandinavia, where secularization is most prevalent, forced marriages of minors continue to occur, particularly among immigrant communities, which shows that secularism does not necessarily eradicate the practice. Furthermore, in Communist China during the Cultural Revolution—a time of radical secularization—forced and child marriages persisted because state control mattered more to the state than Christian moral principles of consent and dignity.
Finally, the persistence of child marriage in some Christian-majority countries does not negate Christianity's success in ending the practice elsewhere. Instead, it shows how pre-Christian cultural practices have a tendency to override Christian teaching at times. For instance, in some parts of sub-Saharan Africa, Christianity is combined with indigenous customs existing for several centuries before European missionaries came to introduce Christianity, and these are practices that contradict Christian moral teachings. In some parts of Latin America as well, child marriage often continues according to economic needs and social culture and not religious beliefs since the Catholic Church continually teaches against it and promotes the importance of children.
On the other hand, where Christian doctrines have been entirely embraced in legal systems, child marriage has decreased or been eliminated. The 18th and 19th centuries saw legal age reforms for European nations driven by Christian moral discourse. In England, for example, the 1753 Marriage Act, based on Anglican thought, made parent consent mandatory for under 21-year marriages, making it less easy to force children into marriage. In France, Napoleon's 1804 Civil Code, although secular in nature, continued to include many Christian marriage values, such as minimum ages of marriage that reflected earlier Catholic influence. Even in the United States, 19th- and 20th-century laws raising the minimum marriage age were often spurred by Christian campaigning, particularly among Protestant reformers seeking women's rights and the safeguarding of children.
The onus of the proof is with you providing the claim—where is evidence that secularization, and not the historical hand of Christianity, was responsible for eliminating child marriage? Without strong proof, the claim is an argument and not a fact. Christianity had established moral and legal ground to eliminate child marriage, whereas secularization, if it was ever added into the equation, followed already established moral principles by Christian doctrine.
If aisha was raped then why did she stay with him Hisham said: I have been informed that ‘Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).” and also she is an adult
Narrated Aisha: "When the girl becomes 9 years old, she has become a woman."
[4]Jami at-Tirmidhi 1109
And why dows Wikipedia say she was 3 then?
"aisha narrated" whatever she said is irrelevant since she was married AND brainwahsed to beleieve whatever mohammed said. specially if going aghainst him meant she can be killed or beaten for not believing. xD
"a girl becomes a woman at 9" no, unless you think like an animal and havent learned anything in a milenia.
She was also married off by her father to the most powerful man in her community in a time when women aren’t exactly well respected . Any sane woman in her shoes will avoid divorce.
Worst still, Muslim women can’t freely divorce.
Wikipedia is easily editable.
Are you idiotic? Jami At Tirmidhi doesn’t state this, you are dealing with a Hadith cited by the editor in the footnotes to better explain a Hanbali legal ruling on this matter.
Worst still, that Hadith is Da’if and not even the Hanbali scholars that accept them interpret it in the way you do.
Bro literally thinks Wikipedia is God. The editors likely got it from later medieval Jewish commentaries which by the way isn’t even in agreement.
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